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 Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: Marian10 (AZ)

Good Day Everyone!

I have a shower that drains very very slow, I’m able to run the snake (1/4” snake attached to a drill) it’s a Ridgid K-39 works wonderful by the way, but when I pull the cable out the tip of the cable is all full of dirt/mud, I can only go like 32” into the pipe and it wont go any deeper.

Any suggestions are really appreciated
Thanks

Tony drain cleaning apprentice

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: ev607797 (VA)

Tony:

Since you are in Arizona, I assume that your building is on a slab, meaning that the plumbing is underneath.

I think that you already know the answer to your question. If mud is coming out from snaking, the drain pipe has failed and dirt is entering it. It could be a simple poor coupling to an ell or a tee, but let's face it: If it was a tiny bit of mud getting in through a small crack, you'd never know since it would simply wash down the drain, nor would mud come back on the end of a snake. The pipe is completely open and your snake is likely slipping out of the pipe and into the soil. This means that there is a lot more than a bad coupling.

Look at the bright side. At least the snake only goes about three feet before dirt is encountered, so the location of the failed pipe should be relatively easy to locate. At least this will minimize repair costs. It's the ones that are sixty feet out that can be difficult.

---Ed---



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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: lance kirk (FL)

get out the wet vac and flashlight suck the trap dry and look at it is there a hole down there or a curved clean pipe some guys think you can clear a swhr drain with a piece of rebar and a four pound sledge

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: Marian10 (AZ)

Thank You Ed
When something like this happens means breaking concrete and digging right? Yes the house is on a slab, is any way to tell if the pipe is broken on just one part or could it be damaged all the way to the main stack?

Thanks I haved learned a lot from your response.

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: Marian10 (AZ)

Thanks Lance Kirk, the drain hole is curved can’t see the trap

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: lance kirk (FL)

if you see a clean curve thats the u bend of the trap unless the orginal istaller missed by alot.32 inches how far would that be from this curve thats how far the power cable went right

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: redwood (CT)

Opening the wall on the other side of the wall fom the tub drain will probably give you access. Were they nice enough to have a closet there?

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: Marian10 (AZ)

No closet, the north side of the shower wall faces the living room, the west side faces the dinning room, and the east side faces the hall, the shower space is about 30” by 40”

Thanks

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: redwood (CT)

Oh sorry I missed the "shower" and was thinking tub!:footinmouth:

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: hj

How old is the house? In the 50's they used some aluminum fittings in AZ which have broken down over the years and tried to return to the original Bauxite ore. The most likely problem is a bad trap and you are drilling through the bottom of it into the ground.

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: Marian10 (AZ)

Thank you hj,
Yes the house is at least 50 years old; if you are in the Phoenix area can I send you an email?
Thanks

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: hj

That I am, HCJAKE@aol.com

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: jerco (MD)

You've lived quite a life HJ. From hammering messages onto a rock to sending and receiving e-mails ... amazing.

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: redwood (CT)

His life has gotten easier through the eons!

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: hj

Well, when I have a particularly hard rock, I may spend more time sharpening the chisels than writing, but the messages last longer.

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: hj

Yep. All these new inventions are going to ruin the plumbing trade, and wipe out all those other "new fangled things" like phones and newspapers. Have you tried to send a telegram lately?

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: redwood (CT)

I know HJ its awful! Even HAM Radio operators don't have to know Morse Code anymore!

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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: hj

They would probably think the Titanic's SOS was static, and wish that it could clear up so they can keep talking about what they had for lunch. And if they had to send one they would probably send OSO.



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 Re: Dirt or mud in drain?
Author: redwood (CT)

Lets see is that ... --- ... or, --- ... ---

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